Führende Hersteller von Laptops
Hallo!
Wie ich in einem anderen Thread bereits erwähnt hatte, mache ich mir in letzter Zeit Gedanken darüber, ob es nötig ist, sich einen neuen Laptop anzuschaffen. Mein aktueller Laptop ist von Dell und ich bin mit dem Hersteller soweit eigentlich auch zufrieden. Nun habe ich mich aber trotzdem gefragt, welche Hersteller von Laptops auf im Markt momentan absolut an der Spitze stehen und qualitativ sehr hochwertige Geräte produzieren.
Ich habe mich kürzlich auch in einigen Elektrogeschäften zu diesem Thema beraten lassen. Fast überall wurde mir von Laptops von ''Tochiba'' und ''Acer'' abgeraten. Empfohlen wurden mir hingegen die Marken ''Dell'' und ''Asus''. In wieweit dies zutrifft kann ich nicht beurteilen. Ich selbst erwarte von einem Laptop, dass er lange hält, auch wenn man ihn täglich mehrmals ein- und wieder ausschalten muss. Besondere Ansprüche in Dingen wie Graphik oder Prozessorleistung habe ich eigentlich nicht, es geht mir in erster Linie nur darum, dass ein Arbeitslaptop, der täglich genutzt wird, es auch nach drei bis vier Jahren noch tut und nicht pausenlos abstürzt.
Welche Erfahrungen habt ihr diesbezüglich gemacht? Welchen Hersteller würdet ihr für den Kauf eines Arbeitslaptops empfehlen?
Crispin hat geschrieben:Mein aktueller Laptop ist von Dell und ich bin mit dem Hersteller soweit eigentlich auch zufrieden.
Das sollte doch erst einmal ausreichen, um auch den Hersteller (bzw. Vertreiber) von Laptops auf die Liste zu nehmen. Anders wenn Du unzufrieden wärst. So aber hast Du ja Erfahrungen mit dem Hersteller "aus erster Hand".
Crispin hat geschrieben:Nun habe ich mich aber trotzdem gefragt, welche Hersteller von Laptops auf im Markt momentan absolut an der Spitze stehen und qualitativ sehr hochwertige Geräte produzieren.
Das ist schwierig, weil natürlich jeder Hersteller von sich behauptet, in irgendeiner Kategorie an der Spitze zu stehen. Sei es durch Verkaufszahlen, technischen Fortschritt oder Qualität usw. Daher muss man schon schauen, welche Aspekte am Laptop einem wichtig sind und daran die unterschiedlichen Anbieter und Geräte messen.
Aber natürlich kann ich auch eine Liste mit den meiner Meinung nach führenden Herstellern nennen, die recht gute aber zum Teil auch eher hochpreisige Produkte auf dem Markt haben: HP, Sony, Tochiba, Lenovo, Apple und Fujitsu.
Crispin hat geschrieben:Fast überall wurde mir von Laptops von "Tochiba" und "Acer" abgeraten.
Ist denn auch begründet worden, wieso man z.B. speziell von Tochiba abrät? Und vor allem, ob es denn alle Serien betrifft, oder aber nur die vom Verkäufer angeboten Geräte. Bzw. hatte denn der Verkäufer jeweils auch Tochibas im Angebot? Denn wenn nicht könnte das auch der Grund des Abratens sein, was Dich als Kunden nicht überzeugen sollte. Gerade die Tecra Serie von Tochiba finde ich persönlich recht gut und überzeugend.
Crispin hat geschrieben:es auch nach drei bis vier Jahren noch tut und nicht pausenlos abstürzt.
Wenn tatsächlich keine "besonderen" Ansprüche an die Graphik oder Prozessorleistung gelegt werden, sollten eigentlich nahezu alle Laptops für Dich in Frage kommen. Jedenfalls die der großen Anbieter (auch DELL). Denn das es zu Abstürzen kommt, liegt dann nicht unbedingt an der Hardware, sondern kann auch am benutzen Betriebssystem liegen. Genauer natürlich an der Nutzung des Betriebssystems. Wenn man da ab und zu mal aufräumt oder alle Jahre neu installiert, sollte sich die Sache bessern.
Ich weiß aus persönlicher Erfahrung, dass ein Laptop auch nach vier Jahren seinen Dienst wie am ersten Tag verrichten kann. Allerdings ist der Akku das erste Bauteil, welches den Zahn der Zeit spürt und entsprechend schwächelt!
Wenn man etwas hochwertiges möchte, muss man sich im Bereich der Business-Notebooks umschauen. Hier gibt es z.B. von Lenovo und HP sehr gute Notebooks, für die man allerdings auch einen entsprechenden Preis bezahlen muss. Apple spielt in einer ähnlichen Liga, auch wenn sie nicht unbedingt zu den klassischen Business-Notebooks zählen.
Allerdings ist auch Dell nicht schlecht und wenn du mit der Marke gute Erfahrungen gemacht, kannst du da ruhig bleiben.
derpunkt hat geschrieben:Aber natürlich kann ich auch eine Liste mit den meiner Meinung nach führenden Herstellern nennen, die recht gute aber zum Teil auch eher hochpreisige Produkte auf dem Markt haben: HP, Sony, Tochiba, Lenovo, Apple und Fujitsu.
Nicht nur Tochiba und Acer, auch Lenovo und Fujitsu wurden mir in dem Zusammenhang abgeraten. Die Begründungen waren da ganz unterschiedlich. Ich habe in einem kleineren EDV Shop nachgefragt, die hatten aber auch einen ganzen Katalog an verschiedenen Laptops im Angebot, weswegen ich nicht glaube, dass sie diese Marken nicht m Angebot hatten. Ich habe aber daneben auch bei ''Berlet'', ''Media Markt'' und ''Saturn'' nachgefragt, wobei ich hier zu ergänzen muss, dass ich mit den Verkäufern aus ''Saturn'' und ''Berlet'' bekannt war.
Mir wurde meistens gesagt die oben genannten Marken seien eher minderwertig, verwiesen wurde ich dann auf DELL, Apple, Asus oder auch noch anderen. Am Preis kann es ebenfalls nicht gelegen haben. Vor wenigen Monaten hat meine Mutter einen schön Laptop mit Blumen Design von Lenovo im Saturn entdeckt und unser bekannter Verkäufer hat uns stattdessen einen ähnlich designten Laptop von Asus empfohlen, der preislich in der gleichen Klasse lag. Demnach gewinne ich langsam den Eindruck, dass Marken wie DELL, Asus oder Apple deutlich über den anderen zu stehen scheinen.
Hallo Crispin!
Abraten würde ich Dir speziell von keinem Hersteller, da ich bis jetzt noch keine schlechten Erfahrungen mit verschiedenen Marken gehabt habe.
qualitativ sehr hochwertige Geräte produzieren.
Empfehlen würde ich die einen Laptop von "Packard Bell", mein aktueller ist von dieser Marke und ich bin sehr zufrieden damit.
Gruß Spitfire
Ich denke es ist immer eine Frage des Gebrauchs, welche Laptopmarke man kaufen sollte. Außerdem sollte man auch nicht unbedingt auf den Hersteller achten, sondern eher auf die Grafikkarte und sonstiges Zubehör.
Ich habe zum Beispiel einen Toshiba und bin mit dem sehr glücklich. Er ist jetzt 2 Jahre alt und bisher hatte ich niemals Probleme mit ihm, denn er läuft schnell und bringt genügend Leistung. Ob er auch noch so gut laufen würde, wenn man lauter PC-Spiele an ihm spielen würde, weiß ich nicht.
Schlechte Erfahrung habe ich mit Dell, Acer, Asus und Samsung gemacht. Viele davon hatte ich zwar nicht selbst, saß aber bei Freunden und Bekannten davor und war meist etwas enttäuscht. Auch Apple konnte mich nie wirklich überzeugen. Wir haben einen kleinen Mac, doch mir fehlt dabei immer Windows und so kann ich daran nicht wirklich arbeiten.
Ich finde es immer doof, wenn man vom Hersteller gleich auf eine generelle Qualität schließen will. Es hat doch fast jeder Hersteller gute und weniger gute Produkte im Programm. Deswegen würde ich an deiner Stelle anders an den Kauf ran gehen: Erst überlegen wie viel du ausgeben kannst und dann das entsprechend beste Produkt im Preisrahmen suchen.
Einen Laptop von Dell hab ich auch und ich finde ihn auch super. Die Teile sind günstig und man musste beim Kauf auch nicht Vista dazu nehmen, was ja schon mal gut ist. Und da du auch mit Dell gute Erfahrungen gemacht hast, spricht doch nichts dagegen, wieder einen Dell zu nehmen, oder?
Laptops, die für deinen Zweck super geeignet wären, sind beispielsweise die Thinkpads von Lenovo. Da bekommt man als Schüler oder Student auch Rabatt und die Laptops sollen qualitativ auch gut sein.
Im Übrigen würde ich dir davon abraten, dich im Saturn oder Mediamarkt nach der Qualität von Laptop-Herstellern zu erkundigen. Die Mitarbeiter dort sind meistens nicht gerade gut informiert und in einem solchen Laden würde ich ehrlich gesagt keinen PC kaufen wollen (dann kannst du auch gleich auf das nächste Aldi Angebot warten).
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Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in kompl von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in kompleln vDas Kopieren von Zitaten, Nachrichten und Beiträgen aus anderen Foren, Inhalten von Webseiten, Bildern, Zeitschriften usw. sind in dem Forum nicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplon kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. QuellDas Kopieren von Zitaten, Nachrichten und Beiträgen aus anderen Foren, Inhalten von Webseiten, Bildern, Zeitschriften usw. sind in dem Forum nicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplvon Webseiten, Bildern, Zeitschriften usw. sind in dem Forum nicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplin Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplt in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komple Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplfür neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in kompl von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht SinDas Kopieren von Zitaten, Nachrichten und Beiträgen aus anderen Foren, Inhalten von Webseiten, Bildern, Zeitschriften usw. sind in dem Forum nicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in kompln dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplnicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplnhalten von Webseiten, Bildern, Zeitschriften usw. sind in dem Forum nicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplhalten von Webseiten, Bildern, Zeitschriften usw. sind in dem Forum nicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komploren, Inhalten von Webseiten, Bildern, Zeitschriften usw. sind in dem Forum nicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplnicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplalten von Webseiten, Bildern, Zeitschriften usw. sind in dem Forum nicht erwünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplünscht, selbst wenn eine Quellenangabe gemacht wird. Das Sammeln von kopierten Inhalten ist nicht Sinn dieses Forums und auch ansonsten nicht in Ordnung. Sicher kann man sich Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in kompleue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplh Anregungen, z.B. aus o.g. Quellen für neue Themen holen, aber dann bitte in komplnn bitte in 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